Tomorrow night at 6:30 pm pacific time Dave Andrews author of Christianarchy, Not Religion but Love, and We Can Be will be sharing with some of my friends and neighbors at our house. We will be streaming this talk on community, Christian anarchy and whatever else comes up so that you can enjoy it as well.
The stream will be on Justin.tv on channel rev3j please join us if possible, and share this with whomever you can.
Dave has been an incredible influence on my life and ministry. In fact he has profoundly shaped the way we understand and do "church" Here is a quote about him:
"There is one thing you need to know about Dave Andrews. He is
dangerous. For example, after Indira Gandhi was shot, two or three
thousand people were killed in twenty-four hours in the riots that
followed. Mobs rampaged through streets looking for Sikhs to murder.
Dave convinced Tony, a friend , that it was their job to go out and save
these Sikhs. Finding a besieged house, they put themselves between an
armed mob and a Sikh family and saved them from certain death. That's
why Dave Andrews is dangerous. He is ordinary, yet believes ordinary
people should take extraordinary risks to confront the cruelty in our
world."
so be afraid, be very afraid :)
rev
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Thursday, June 07, 2012
Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Bio part 2
So while all of this was happening I got married to the best woman in
the world, Raquel, and we had two beautiful daughters. The interesting
thing is that we didn't pull away from our world, or our ministry to
focus on our family. We made sure our children were part of our lives,
that we didn't neglect them, but we also wanted them to grow up knowing
that the world is too big for it to revolve around them. Remember this
is a summation so as blunt as that sounds it was lived out in the midst
of caring, compassionate love.
Buddy Suitor at the leading of many people decided to move to another city and start a new church. Raquel and I went with him and were his youth pastors. Only there weren't many youth. We would hang out, get sodas, and talk. Slowly we wound up attracting a group of about thirty young people many if not most of whom did not have parents at the church. We did normal church stuff, went on church camps, and learned to love each other. This was very formative for us. When we had thirty kids in our group 27 came from broken homes. We were learning the healing power of community, and we were also learning what it meant to have an "open house".
I began learning about "cell groups" and "house churches" and how they were important because they taught community, involved everyone, and were the best mechanism for growth. (I will address this later, but at that time we still believed it was our call to convert everyone so they would not burn in hell forever, or the more pleasant way of looking at it was so they could go to heaven) I also realized that the man up front talking, while everyone else sat and listened was not a very healthy model.
Through much scheming we came up with a plan. We would start a church service that had "cool worship music", had a Christian rock band play a set, and then I would teach a very short message that is applicable to anyone whether they were Christian or not. The idea was to make a very fun night, where non Christian people would enjoy hanging out, and then through relationships with people in the group, not any altar call from the stage, people would be drawn into a relationship with Jesus and join our real church which was the small group.
It kinda worked. It wasn't long before we had a church full of people. Sometimes as many as 150 kids rocking out. Thing was they were all Christian kids from other churches. Took a lot of pain and soul searching before I realized that most Christian young people don't really want to hang out in church, why would someone who is not a Christian want to? So we shut it down for good.
We then took our youth group and started a church with them. It was a good thing, the church realized we were becoming something different, and they wanted a more traditional youth ministry. They helped us and blessed us, it was not a church split at all.
It was around this time I started understanding a bit more about how this all worked, why community was important. I began to understand that what Jesus was on about was more than just fire insurance, but teaching us a way of living that could change things in the here and now, not just later.
There were two major influences in this way of thinking. The first was the book "Anarchy and Christianity" by Jaques Ellul. This book really resonated with what I had seen and lived. It made sense, and seemed biblical to me as well. The other book was by Jan Hettinga, I think its title was Follow Me. This talked about the idea of the kingdom of God being the focus of Jesus message. Now Jan might be a bit upset at where I took all of that... but seeing that Jesus was talking about the kingdom of God as a present reality not just a future destination that really got me on a radical path.
We began to take steps in this direction. We tried to have less hierarchy. Less issues of power. We tried to see Jesus in community, in our neighborhood. It was a wonderful experience. Our first church plant was called the Belonging, and the name has set the tone for our whole life. We should be a community that allows people to belong.
I then began reading more and more Christian anarchist stuff, writings of Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker, Tolstoy's the kingdom of God is within, and most influential to me was Dave Andrew's books "Christianarchy" and "Not Religion but Love". These latter two took all of the theory, and showed us how to live it out... well atleast how to fail gloriously trying to live it out :)
During this whole period of time we also were continually confronted with the fact that Jesus seemed to base his time on earth among the dispossessed, the poor, the marginalized. He talked about a down is up way of living. We began to see that a call to follow Jesus is a call towards downward mobility. Living sustainably on less, in an economy of enough. An economy that says there is enough for our need but not our greed.
Two more big influences on my life happened while we were in Australia. The first was a young man named Jarrod McKenna, who took me down the road of non-violence. I added to his voice the voices of Dorothy Day, Shane Claiborne, and Fr John Dear, as well as the crazy revolutionary activist Ciaron O'Reilly To love your enemies, and do good to those that do bad to you takes away the possibility of violent reaction.
The other was the works of Walter Wink in Engaging the Powers that speak much about non violence, but also the idea of spiritual warfare as seeing the spiritual behind the physical. This is very powerful because we begin to really see the corrupting influences of things like consumerism, individualism and nationalism.
Now we are living in Long Beach California, trying to sow all of these fragments together. How can we be an authentic community following Jesus, by entering into the plight of the oppressed, living simply, and non violently as we stand against a world system that is bent on destruction. Ched Myers is currently my mentor, and he seems perfectly suited for tying this all together, and we are so thankful for Ched and his wonderful wife Elaine Enns.
Things learned in part two:
the importance of community to growth as a human being
we weren't supposed to call people into the church, but live out the church in our neighborhoods
That just as Christ prioritized the marginalized, we should be found with them, standing for justice. Not reaching down to help, but climbing into solidarity.
That we are called not to have power over others, but to empower others
That we are called to be non violent resisters
that the kingdom of God is now and not yet, and we must be the change we want to see in the world as Gandhi put it
And that there are powerful forces in the world that shape policy, and even our own thoughts, and that these must be seen, and resisted.
Anyways, that was abrupt as could be, please feel free to ask any questions
rev
Buddy Suitor at the leading of many people decided to move to another city and start a new church. Raquel and I went with him and were his youth pastors. Only there weren't many youth. We would hang out, get sodas, and talk. Slowly we wound up attracting a group of about thirty young people many if not most of whom did not have parents at the church. We did normal church stuff, went on church camps, and learned to love each other. This was very formative for us. When we had thirty kids in our group 27 came from broken homes. We were learning the healing power of community, and we were also learning what it meant to have an "open house".
I began learning about "cell groups" and "house churches" and how they were important because they taught community, involved everyone, and were the best mechanism for growth. (I will address this later, but at that time we still believed it was our call to convert everyone so they would not burn in hell forever, or the more pleasant way of looking at it was so they could go to heaven) I also realized that the man up front talking, while everyone else sat and listened was not a very healthy model.
Through much scheming we came up with a plan. We would start a church service that had "cool worship music", had a Christian rock band play a set, and then I would teach a very short message that is applicable to anyone whether they were Christian or not. The idea was to make a very fun night, where non Christian people would enjoy hanging out, and then through relationships with people in the group, not any altar call from the stage, people would be drawn into a relationship with Jesus and join our real church which was the small group.
It kinda worked. It wasn't long before we had a church full of people. Sometimes as many as 150 kids rocking out. Thing was they were all Christian kids from other churches. Took a lot of pain and soul searching before I realized that most Christian young people don't really want to hang out in church, why would someone who is not a Christian want to? So we shut it down for good.
We then took our youth group and started a church with them. It was a good thing, the church realized we were becoming something different, and they wanted a more traditional youth ministry. They helped us and blessed us, it was not a church split at all.
It was around this time I started understanding a bit more about how this all worked, why community was important. I began to understand that what Jesus was on about was more than just fire insurance, but teaching us a way of living that could change things in the here and now, not just later.
There were two major influences in this way of thinking. The first was the book "Anarchy and Christianity" by Jaques Ellul. This book really resonated with what I had seen and lived. It made sense, and seemed biblical to me as well. The other book was by Jan Hettinga, I think its title was Follow Me. This talked about the idea of the kingdom of God being the focus of Jesus message. Now Jan might be a bit upset at where I took all of that... but seeing that Jesus was talking about the kingdom of God as a present reality not just a future destination that really got me on a radical path.
We began to take steps in this direction. We tried to have less hierarchy. Less issues of power. We tried to see Jesus in community, in our neighborhood. It was a wonderful experience. Our first church plant was called the Belonging, and the name has set the tone for our whole life. We should be a community that allows people to belong.
I then began reading more and more Christian anarchist stuff, writings of Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker, Tolstoy's the kingdom of God is within, and most influential to me was Dave Andrew's books "Christianarchy" and "Not Religion but Love". These latter two took all of the theory, and showed us how to live it out... well atleast how to fail gloriously trying to live it out :)
During this whole period of time we also were continually confronted with the fact that Jesus seemed to base his time on earth among the dispossessed, the poor, the marginalized. He talked about a down is up way of living. We began to see that a call to follow Jesus is a call towards downward mobility. Living sustainably on less, in an economy of enough. An economy that says there is enough for our need but not our greed.
Two more big influences on my life happened while we were in Australia. The first was a young man named Jarrod McKenna, who took me down the road of non-violence. I added to his voice the voices of Dorothy Day, Shane Claiborne, and Fr John Dear, as well as the crazy revolutionary activist Ciaron O'Reilly To love your enemies, and do good to those that do bad to you takes away the possibility of violent reaction.
The other was the works of Walter Wink in Engaging the Powers that speak much about non violence, but also the idea of spiritual warfare as seeing the spiritual behind the physical. This is very powerful because we begin to really see the corrupting influences of things like consumerism, individualism and nationalism.
Now we are living in Long Beach California, trying to sow all of these fragments together. How can we be an authentic community following Jesus, by entering into the plight of the oppressed, living simply, and non violently as we stand against a world system that is bent on destruction. Ched Myers is currently my mentor, and he seems perfectly suited for tying this all together, and we are so thankful for Ched and his wonderful wife Elaine Enns.
Things learned in part two:
the importance of community to growth as a human being
we weren't supposed to call people into the church, but live out the church in our neighborhoods
That just as Christ prioritized the marginalized, we should be found with them, standing for justice. Not reaching down to help, but climbing into solidarity.
That we are called not to have power over others, but to empower others
That we are called to be non violent resisters
that the kingdom of God is now and not yet, and we must be the change we want to see in the world as Gandhi put it
And that there are powerful forces in the world that shape policy, and even our own thoughts, and that these must be seen, and resisted.
Anyways, that was abrupt as could be, please feel free to ask any questions
rev
Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Books that inspired me (will be an ongoing series)
I read Christianity and Anarchy, by Jaques Ellul, many years ago. It was an amazing book, it made so much sense, and helped me to understand many things I had seen over the years. This book suggested that what God actually desired for us, was to live in an anarchic, mutually subordinate and loving community. That throughout the scriptures we see this. And that in imitating the hierarchy of the world, we were in fact rejecting God.
This book changed my life, my mind, and my heart. What it didn't do, was show me what to do with it all. How does this effect my church, missional work, social work, and even parenting? I did not feel like I knew, but had to just struggle with the ideology and try to figure out my own way. This was a wonderful book, and I think everyone should read it. However, the books I want to talk about today are "Christianarchy" and "Not Religion, but Love" by Dave Andrews
In Christianarchy Dave basically speaks about how Christian Anarchy is lived out in an empowering community. He gives examples of how our current structures hurt people, and how we can live out an alternative. It is a controversial book, as he names names, and expresses his own alienation and hurt. But this book changed my life and ministry so much. Dave, gave me encouragement for what I had already started doing, and encouragement to imagine ways to go much further, and a history to associate with. What was really wonderful, was when I needed help figuring some of this stuff out, he made himself personally available, to help me.
In Not Religion but Love, Dave takes that theme even deeper. He talks about how we live in a community, and work for the empowering of that community. Not spreading our religion, but spreading the empowering love of Christ to all, even those of differing faiths, or no faith. He speaks about working for justice from a place of love, not power. For being alongside of rather than reaching down to. He talks about being the change you want to see in the world. Many people think this book is more important, and better than Christianarchy. I think they both are brilliant, and stand on their own.
Both of these books have changed my life, as has Dave and the waiters union, and I love them dearly.
not religion but love
Christianarchy
I also have a few copies of each of these that I would like to share with people, I will send them to the first four who ask for each, but I would ask you pay for postage, and then if possible make a donation, as I paid quite a bit to buy them and ship them over.
rev
This book changed my life, my mind, and my heart. What it didn't do, was show me what to do with it all. How does this effect my church, missional work, social work, and even parenting? I did not feel like I knew, but had to just struggle with the ideology and try to figure out my own way. This was a wonderful book, and I think everyone should read it. However, the books I want to talk about today are "Christianarchy" and "Not Religion, but Love" by Dave Andrews
In Christianarchy Dave basically speaks about how Christian Anarchy is lived out in an empowering community. He gives examples of how our current structures hurt people, and how we can live out an alternative. It is a controversial book, as he names names, and expresses his own alienation and hurt. But this book changed my life and ministry so much. Dave, gave me encouragement for what I had already started doing, and encouragement to imagine ways to go much further, and a history to associate with. What was really wonderful, was when I needed help figuring some of this stuff out, he made himself personally available, to help me.
In Not Religion but Love, Dave takes that theme even deeper. He talks about how we live in a community, and work for the empowering of that community. Not spreading our religion, but spreading the empowering love of Christ to all, even those of differing faiths, or no faith. He speaks about working for justice from a place of love, not power. For being alongside of rather than reaching down to. He talks about being the change you want to see in the world. Many people think this book is more important, and better than Christianarchy. I think they both are brilliant, and stand on their own.
Both of these books have changed my life, as has Dave and the waiters union, and I love them dearly.
not religion but love
Christianarchy
I also have a few copies of each of these that I would like to share with people, I will send them to the first four who ask for each, but I would ask you pay for postage, and then if possible make a donation, as I paid quite a bit to buy them and ship them over.
rev
Friday, July 29, 2011
When I was younger
At 10 years of age I wanted to play defensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys, and Randy White was my hero
At 13 I wanted to be a rock star, and Gene Simmons of Kiss was my hero
At 16 I wanted to die in the arena as a Portuguese bullfighter, and my heroes were Juan Belmonte and Carlos Arruza
At 20 I wanted to preach to thousands in stadiums around the world and my heroes were Billy Graham and Chuck Smith
At 25 I wanted to have a huge church made up of thousands of cell churches and my hero was Yongi Cho
At 30 I wanted to be left alone, to follow Jesus in my own way, and my heroes were Buddy Suitor, Alan Hirsch and Mark Sayers
Now I am 45, and I have learned that what I want is often silly, and not what I need. I have learned that my heroes are very fallible, and they should be influences rather than heroes. I have learned that what I plan for, and what happens is actually quite different and that what matters is how I love in the process.
I hope that our community in Long Beach continues to grow into a network of house churches, and intentional communities committed to loving our neighbors, specifically our marginalized neighbors. I hope that I will finish a book that can share our journey with a wider audience. I hope that I might have the opportunity to speak to the church at large a bit. I hope that I grow ever more committed to discipleship.
I am thankful for people like Ched Myers, Neil Cole, Alan and Deb Hirsch and Dave Andrews that encourage me along the way. I am thankful for my friends that are fighting the enemy with me. I am thankful for my community that loves me for who I am and compels me to be better. I am especially thankful for my wife, whom I grow to love more, and trust more every day.
When I was younger I wanted to be something or someone else, now I just want to be a better me
rev
At 13 I wanted to be a rock star, and Gene Simmons of Kiss was my hero
At 16 I wanted to die in the arena as a Portuguese bullfighter, and my heroes were Juan Belmonte and Carlos Arruza
At 20 I wanted to preach to thousands in stadiums around the world and my heroes were Billy Graham and Chuck Smith
At 25 I wanted to have a huge church made up of thousands of cell churches and my hero was Yongi Cho
At 30 I wanted to be left alone, to follow Jesus in my own way, and my heroes were Buddy Suitor, Alan Hirsch and Mark Sayers
Now I am 45, and I have learned that what I want is often silly, and not what I need. I have learned that my heroes are very fallible, and they should be influences rather than heroes. I have learned that what I plan for, and what happens is actually quite different and that what matters is how I love in the process.
I hope that our community in Long Beach continues to grow into a network of house churches, and intentional communities committed to loving our neighbors, specifically our marginalized neighbors. I hope that I will finish a book that can share our journey with a wider audience. I hope that I might have the opportunity to speak to the church at large a bit. I hope that I grow ever more committed to discipleship.
I am thankful for people like Ched Myers, Neil Cole, Alan and Deb Hirsch and Dave Andrews that encourage me along the way. I am thankful for my friends that are fighting the enemy with me. I am thankful for my community that loves me for who I am and compels me to be better. I am especially thankful for my wife, whom I grow to love more, and trust more every day.
When I was younger I wanted to be something or someone else, now I just want to be a better me
rev
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