tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post114445554387087726..comments2023-09-09T08:53:09.616-07:00Comments on the rev: Supermarket monkeyjohn jensenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145281107361982542006-04-17T06:38:00.000-07:002006-04-17T06:38:00.000-07:00Yeah, I can take it down, but I've got to remember...Yeah, I can take it down, but I've got to remember the dang password. <BR/>Hmmmmm.<BR/>Let me work on it.KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145280250239792562006-04-17T06:24:00.000-07:002006-04-17T06:24:00.000-07:00keith can you take down the forum in the old websi...keith can you take down the forum in the old website, it is useless to me now, thanks<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145279319657068092006-04-17T06:08:00.000-07:002006-04-17T06:08:00.000-07:00Well the idea is that relationships would be made ...Well the idea is that relationships would be made outside of the meetings. If you and I met for a few coffees, and then you met the family for tea and a video, you would then very naturally feel comfortable on tuesday night or Sunday morning. <BR/><BR/>Its interesting that the idea of open discussions, and things sounds appealing to you, but for some reason doing it in a home is upsetting. There are some churches like mine that meet in cafe's or pubs, if you are interested. We are hoping to start more of these kinds of groups throughout the western suburbs. Some will meet in homes, but others will meet in cafe's, pubs, business offices or even the ascot vale building.<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145278458994391382006-04-17T05:54:00.000-07:002006-04-17T05:54:00.000-07:00Sounds like different premises, including peoples ...Sounds like different premises, including peoples homes, are involved there, Rev.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't feel comfortable going to a private residence (unless I knew the people), a public building like a church is ok, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145277612200637762006-04-17T05:40:00.000-07:002006-04-17T05:40:00.000-07:00Sunday nights are not exactly what I described. A...Sunday nights are not exactly what I described. At Ascot Vale I have to balance a bit more. We have a Sudanese family that doesn't speak much English, an existing group that is a bit more conservative, and my own desire to be more relevent and inclusive. <BR/><BR/>My goal for Sunday nights (which we don't kick off the new service until the 7th of May) is to provide something a bit less verbally intensive, a bit more engaging, and a bit more embracing of multi media. It will be a larger group, but as we will be seated around tables we will do some discussion stuff, and some experiential learning stuff. But it will be a bit more traditional. I would also not consider it church, but rather a worship time.<BR/><BR/>What I consider my church is the group that meets on Sunday mornings in each others homes. We also have dinner together on Tuesday nights and meet in smaller groups to confess our sins, and have some accountability for personal religious practices.<BR/><BR/>I am beginning to have that kind of community with the existing group at Ascot Vale on Thursday nights.<BR/><BR/>If you would ever want to come visit on a tuesday night, (more social and a bit less threatening), or a Sunday morning you would be more than welcome. The Sunday night gig will be a bit different, but you would again be welcome.<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145277102259832402006-04-17T05:31:00.000-07:002006-04-17T05:31:00.000-07:00Are you describing church, Rev? Is this what you ...Are you describing church, Rev? Is this what you do Sunday evenings at Ascot Vale?<BR/><BR/>Doesn't sound like the church I went to over 25 years ago.<BR/><BR/>What types turn up at these services? Sounds like an (alleged) atheist may not feel out of place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145275875006996552006-04-17T05:11:00.000-07:002006-04-17T05:11:00.000-07:00Well when there is a mixed group of people, it is ...Well when there is a mixed group of people, it is important that all of the group realize that not everyone is going to be in the same place. Therefore we can all share and express ourselves, but we need to be aware that we cannot always follow the dictates of one individual. <BR/><BR/>For instance, the children that come to our church:<BR/><BR/>Sometimes we will plan a whole time around them, we participate with them in some activity that is based more on their age level. However, if we would do that every time we met, it would become a bit irrelevent to many. (although to be honest most of us "adults" seemed to get a lot out of these times) <BR/><BR/>The same would be for me: I tend to like more meditative lectio divino type studies. But not everyone likes them, so I cannot always follow my inclinations.<BR/><BR/>Most of the times I have had athiests, or those from other faiths join us, they just realate as they will. Sometimes a subject will be a bit arguementative and that is fine, for the most part they feel a part of the conversation.<BR/><BR/>A few times we have had someone that made every conversation about either their doubts, complaints, or critiques of theology, ecclesiology, or even our style of church. When one person constantly "subverts" the subject to their own issues, the group dynamic is compromised.<BR/><BR/>So I in no way mean conformity or silence, but rather a sensitive co-operation. I have also at times had to chastise the more zealous defenders of the faith that this is a time of sharing, not a debate.<BR/><BR/>If I did not make myself clear enough, let me know. Just some of the difficulties in having and inclusive, and participatory gathering.<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145274869369348762006-04-17T04:54:00.000-07:002006-04-17T04:54:00.000-07:00Can you elaborate on your request "not to subvert ...Can you elaborate on your request "not to subvert the conversations completely" please?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145273987022773052006-04-17T04:39:00.000-07:002006-04-17T04:39:00.000-07:00you would be welcome at my church. Though I might...you would be welcome at my church. Though I might ask you to not subvert the conversations completely. But if you choose to pursue the matter I would be interested in seeing how you go, and hearing from you along the way.<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145271291681947502006-04-17T03:54:00.000-07:002006-04-17T03:54:00.000-07:00Oh, I forgot to type in my identity of "DonaldDuck...Oh, I forgot to type in my identity of "DonaldDuck" for that last comment. I'm not that annonymous!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145271234532575742006-04-17T03:53:00.000-07:002006-04-17T03:53:00.000-07:00As an alleged atheist, rev, I'm not welcome in chu...As an alleged atheist, rev, I'm not welcome in churches. It's only on forums like this that I can pursue such an investigation. <BR/><BR/>Thankyou for your reply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145270089906236362006-04-17T03:34:00.000-07:002006-04-17T03:34:00.000-07:00well in my opinion it would be worth taking a look...well in my opinion it would be worth taking a look at, the "eyewitnesses" died because they were unwilling to recant their testimony, so it would seem there is some reasonable reasons to look into it. <BR/><BR/>But I haven't really studied other rumours in other traditions very much. I am passionate about my own faith and what we believe, as I have experienced the reality of it, and not feeling arguementative I have not researched the claims of others in order to prove or disprove them. <BR/><BR/>oh and I hadly call this a discussion about easter.<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145269641554914982006-04-17T03:27:00.000-07:002006-04-17T03:27:00.000-07:00How has this turned into a discussion about the Ea...How has this turned into a discussion about the Easter story?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I have a question for all, including (perhaps especially for) the atheists here:<BR/><BR/>Should I, as an atheist take the resurrection story seriously? I mean is it worthy of further investigation or is it just some symbolic thing that only indoctrinated can christians get all "excited" about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145247062125367882006-04-16T21:11:00.000-07:002006-04-16T21:11:00.000-07:00Yay. Hell if recycling old jokes were a crime I'd ...Yay. <BR/>Hell if recycling old jokes were a crime I'd be locked up for life. <BR/><BR/>Happy Zombie Easter, colored egg out of a rabbit's but day, to you too.KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145246284604111862006-04-16T20:58:00.000-07:002006-04-16T20:58:00.000-07:00That was a sincere apology, guys. No joke!That was a sincere apology, guys. No joke!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145244385773595192006-04-16T20:26:00.000-07:002006-04-16T20:26:00.000-07:00I have been chastened and feel a sense of shame fo...I have been chastened and feel a sense of shame for childish attempts at dragging up old John Cleese jokes. Thankyou, Rev and Keith, for showing me the error of my ways. I offer my utmost apologies.<BR/><BR/>I wish you a happy Easter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145240777872452422006-04-16T19:26:00.001-07:002006-04-16T19:26:00.001-07:00The forum you mention is not really in use anymore...The forum you mention is not really in use anymore so I've been lax about keeping up with it, monitering spam posts like the ones you saw. <BR/>I will prune the forum of it's spam. Yes indeed, and thank you for bringing it to my attention. <BR/><BR/>As for John's stories being pornographic, I would think you a prude to call them such. I don't think you mean it though. I think you're assigning values to John based on his religious affiliation. Values he has not himself professed. <BR/>Going around labeling things pornography is actually quite in line with the type of Christian you are probably intending to rail against. <BR/><BR/>You're free to post whatever you wish, and John can administer these posts as he sees fit, but don't you think it's bad ettiqette to just find a blog that happens to be by a Christian and then begin posting challenges to his over all beliefs rather than responding to the actual post that the comments are attached to? It just seems rude to me. This post for instance was about John's buddy's blog. <BR/><BR/>I am not a fan of the automobile, but I"m not seeking out a Ford enthusiasts site and commenting about air pollution and oil dependencies on a post about carberators. <BR/><BR/>As for the Jesus Zombie connection, laughed hardily the first time I heard it. A comedian named Cheese had a good bit on it about a billion years ago. Now it's grown stale. Not offensive but tired. <BR/><BR/>One last though. Allowing you to be anonymous does not mean that we can't observe that you're using the priveledge poorly. I protect people's rights to be cowardly and stupid every chance I get, and yet I still try to help them to improve when I'm able to do so.KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145240760103435462006-04-16T19:26:00.000-07:002006-04-16T19:26:00.000-07:00No I didn't get offended, it just seemed a bit juv...No I didn't get offended, it just seemed a bit juvenile, and what I find offensive is the same people the talk all kinds of crap about Christian fanatics trying to push their views on others, come on websites that are mostly Christians, and authored by Christians and try and belittle Christians and push their views on us. Now I do not go on athiests blogs and try and push my beliefs on others. And when I do speak to others that are different from me, I do so trying to understand their point of view and really get what they are saying, not belittling them nor trying to push my views on them.<BR/><BR/>Again my question is why do you want to come belittle other people? What does that do for you? What possible benefit comes from it? Is it enjoyable to you?<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145236221005304332006-04-16T18:10:00.000-07:002006-04-16T18:10:00.000-07:00So did you really get offended about the associati...So did you really get offended about the association between Jesus and zombies?<BR/><BR/>You've probably heard it before, and don't find it funny anymore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145233197974826302006-04-16T17:19:00.000-07:002006-04-16T17:19:00.000-07:00Well Mr Keith Lowell Jensen, will you remove those...Well Mr Keith Lowell Jensen, will you remove those links from http://www.rockass.net/therev?<BR/><BR/>It's mighty uncivil of you to associate that trash with your brother.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, rev, was only pointing out matters of a factual nature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145232969939712032006-04-16T17:16:00.000-07:002006-04-16T17:16:00.000-07:00Well that is my brothers website, and I have no co...Well that is my brothers website, and I have no control over what he puts on that website. As far as my short stories they are mostly stories about my life, and I was not always a Christian.<BR/><BR/>Now I have been very civil to you, and have engaged in some light hearted banter, why do you feel the need to some how try and drag me down? <BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145232024704151002006-04-16T17:00:00.000-07:002006-04-16T17:00:00.000-07:00Some further research on the rev.Looked at the rev...Some further research on the rev.<BR/><BR/>Looked at the rev's home page http://www.rockass.net/therev/ (linked from "view my complete profile"). Read some of the slightly pornographic short stories (sex and drug themes). Noticed the forums link and found the topics of "pre teen sex pics" and "electro sex toys".<BR/><BR/>The religion business was a bit slow back then, rev?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145220048915074062006-04-16T13:40:00.000-07:002006-04-16T13:40:00.000-07:00Ha, another fighty type thinking himself daring an...Ha, another fighty type thinking himself daring and smart. <BR/><BR/>I have to add, Dawn of The Dead rules. Great movie. And I even liked the new one. <BR/><BR/>Other than that, I hope you're enjoying your holiday. I'm at Moms eating vegetarian ham that she made. Now that's motherly love.KLJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07518406972256513476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145178116709455382006-04-16T02:01:00.000-07:002006-04-16T02:01:00.000-07:00Who is anon?Who is anon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9706995.post-1145177883174870732006-04-16T01:58:00.000-07:002006-04-16T01:58:00.000-07:00Nice quote, I am sure that I have read somewhere t...Nice quote, <BR/><BR/>I am sure that I have read somewhere that it is okay to lie if you can by doing so lead some poor athiest to the offering plate.<BR/><BR/>I was actually thinking this morning:<BR/><BR/>what if anon actually showed up? My stategy was to if you showed up to ofcourse not accept any money. And to honour your effort I was devising a way to weave a zombie story into the teaching today. Sorry had no intention of showing a film clip.<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/><BR/>the revjohn jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152784582419753697noreply@blogger.com